Just my two cents on sort order.
Which ever node I choose: entire library, music, classical music, etc
I want to see the album artwork (book cover/movie poster) in the first column, then sort by album artist (multiple artists is "Various" of course), then by album original release date, then by album title, with tracks in proper order, by default.

If the album artist (author/director/conductor) is the name of a person, I want it to be sorted by their last name.
If the album artist is a band/orchestra, even if the band name appears to be person's name (jethro tull, alice cooper, uriah heep) then I want the sort to be by the first letter of the band's name. Like they do in the record store. UNLESS, the band's name incorporates the leaders name (Dave Matthews Band/Steve Miller Band, etc). This usually means playing with the sort order tags.

For books, it would be like searching a public library on line. If the author has released a series, I want to be able to group the series together.

While alphabetizing by work title may appeal to some, its important for me to see the growth/evolution of the album artist/author/director.

What I'm planning to use the custom fields for? To rate the integrity of the sound, so that I'm conscious of whether or not I have re-engineered crap with the loudness boosted outside of what the original artist/producer/engineer intended.

Thanks a lot guys for fixing this bug. It seems correct now.

Out of curiosity, what was wrong. When I change genre or refresh, I can still see the old wrong sorting, but only in a split second and afterwards it's correct again

Harald,

Thanks for the db. Bug re. incorrect sorting in Art&Details view is posted at:
http://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=8471

-Rusty

Harald,

Re. the incorrect sorting of 'normal' characters, can you PM Petr and I your DB (you can upload to mediafire, and send us the link)?

Thanks.

-Rusty

p.s. re. sorting of 'non-latin' characters (bug 8424), like Jiri, I can't replicate this issue. i.e. in Win7x64, once I change the Region and Language > Change Location > Format to Danish, and then restart MM, sorting works as expected. Any other ideas? Is anyone else experiencing incorrect sorting of non-Latin characters?

Thanks PetrCBR - the sorting for Artist starting with A is as follows:

10cc
12 Stones
Aerosmith
Aimee Mann
Alan Parsons
The Alan Parsons Project
Alanis Morissette
Albert King
Alejandro Escoredo
Alex Oriental Experience
America
Audioslave
Avril Lavigne
Aimee Mann (Again)
The Alan Parsons Project (Again)
The Allman Brothers Band
America (Again)
Anna Calvi
Anthony Philips
Arcade Fire
AC/DC
Admiral Fallow
Albert King; Stevie Ray Vaughan (Again)
The Allman Brothers Band (Again)

Thanks rusty - about the AC/DC + Admiral Fallow + other Artists too:

I don't remember how I got these tracks added to the database - normally I only add/rescan files to library the manual way, because I'm a little control freak
Just to be sure, I deleted the AC/DC + Admiral Fallow tracks from the library and did a manual add/rescan and unfortunately this didn't solve the problem.

If you want, I could upload my MM.db to you and/or Petr (in 7z it's 23MB). If interested please tell me how and where you want it.

My problem about danish special letters is solved thanks to jiri. Although everything in my windows settings was set to danish, I changed to english and restarted and then back to danish and now MediaMonkey's sorting with danish letters is correct, but unfortunately it didn't solve the other problem with show art with details and the summary field.

HaraldBluetooth1963, have you checked where the monitored tracks were sorted in tracklist ?

Harald,

Re. AC/DC, I think it may be a bug in the File Monitor--is that file scanned by the file monitor? For more details, see:
http://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=8423

Re. the lack of documentation for the Playback rules, it'll come...

Re. incorrect alphabetic order, it's tracked at:
http://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=8424

Thanks!

-Rusty

This issue should have been fixed in 1434, but unfortunately I must report, that the issue still is present in 1436.

For your further investigation I've captured a video with jing.
The settings in Playback rules for my music collection is still:

$if(<Album>,<Album Artist>,<Artist>) and in Artview I have <Album Artist> and <Album> and in Art & Details I have Album Artist, Album, Disc#,Track#.

By the way, if I see these settings at the Playback rules tab from a new user's (and old for that matter) point of view, these settings could be a lot better. There is no explanation, that this is about sorting in the tracklist and which view(s) these settings affects + no explanation for the "Art & Details" settings + no sample is shown for the Music collection.

For your information MediaMonkey has never sorted the letters æ,ø,å,ä,ö correct. In the danish alphabet the letters æ,ø and å is placed after z.

I'm still using a windows 7 ultimate machine and the sorting issue is the same with and without scripts running....

HaraldBluetooth1963 wrote:To be sure, that no old settings were in play, I deleted the mediamonkey.ini file.

That wouldn't do anything, all column settings are saved in the registry.

PetrCBR - if your changes in ID 0008273 should have solved this sorting problem in version 1423, I'm sorry to say, that nothing have changed at all in "Show Art with Details" view. To be sure, that no old settings were in play, I deleted the mediamonkey.ini file.

F5 or changing genre still get's the wrong sorting back and now the sorting also is wrong in the "Show Art" view.

Is the correction of the "ignored prefix" bug http://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewto ... 53#p308453 planned for later release.

nohitter151 wrote:Change to details view. Sort on "Album artist". Hold the Ctrl key, sort by "Album". Change back to show art with details view. Voila.

How is that a good solution to this problem? Ctrl+Clicking to sort by multiple columns is not standard listview behavior (Explore doesn't do it, for example) and having to change views to sort isn't obvious and adds unnecessary extra steps. If that's the officially recommended way to get the previous behavior back, the only people who will know how to do it are those searching in the forums.

MM3 did this right. MM4 shouldn't sacrifice an intuitive and useful feature just so it can shoehorn in video support.

I agree with HaraldBluetooth1963 that the default Art+Details sort should be Album Artist/Album/Disk#/Track#. Just add an extra option next to the Summary view configuration that controls the sort order for that column, and pre-fill it with that, plus whatever video things are there.

nohitter151 wrote:

Otello wrote:

I'm sorry, I din't ignore your post, but I cannot reproduce my old sorting.

Change to details view. Sort on "Album artist". Hold the Ctrl key, sort by "Album". Change back to show art with details view. Voila.

It is exactly what I tried to do, but I cannot get the files sorted as before.

I used to sort by "album artist" then Ctrl+click on Year; this way I had the files sorted alphabetically by Artist, then by year.
I tryed your suggestion, your suggestion plus ctrl+click on Year, only "album artist" then ctrl+click on year...
For sure I'm missing something, because I do not get the files in the order I want.

Anyway, it happens to change the sort order, sometimes by mistake (clicking on one column title), sometimes to make a particular selection, etc.
It's not a big deal to have to change the view to go back to your defaul sort order.

f5 seems to change the sorting if the sort was not done in the current view because MM resorts the library when you refresh. This is why my method works (but not perfectly as it is necessary to swap Album Artist and Album in the summary column, which isn't ideal aesthetically).

Okay nohitter151 - I can see and hear what you are saying, but why does F5 refresh bring unorder again - se the pics in my posts.