MP3 with non standard APEv2 fail [#14063]

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MP3 with non standard APEv2 fail [#14063]

Post by chrisgewinnt » Thu Mar 02, 2017 8:12 am

Hi all!
After using Musicbee for several years I returned MM Gold 4.115.1830. After the firs scan of my folders I realized that MM showed different (wrong!) tags for ca. 10% of my files. Although mp3tag and Musicbee read the right title and genre, MM reads complete different values, as you can see in the pictures below. Who knows how to read the correct tags?

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Re: Wrong Tags

Post by Lowlander » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:20 pm

Is Infer File Properties enabled under Tools > Options > Library?

Also make sure data isn't stored in multiple tags as different programs have different priorities in choosing tags to read.
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Re: Wrong Tags

Post by Peke » Thu Mar 02, 2017 12:58 pm

Can you also change all apps language to English as "Alma" on some languages means "Blues" or "Soul"

Also can you upload one of files and send me DL link in PM so that we can analyze?
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Re: Wrong Tags

Post by chrisgewinnt » Thu Mar 02, 2017 5:20 pm

ThanX for your interest. i am running MM in german, infer file properties is checked. When I change the language I can see no difference. In this case it concerns not only my custom genre-tag, also the title tag is wrong. I sent you a file.

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Re: Wrong Tags

Post by Peke » Fri Mar 03, 2017 5:58 am

Hi,
Thank you for sample file, I've found the reason why MMW do not read tags from it.

File contain Non-Standard APEv2 Tag on the end of file which confuses MMW and then it is flagged as file with incorrect tag even correct ID3v2.3 tag exist in file.

I Assigned developer to fix it and filed it under http://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=14063
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Re: Wrong Tags

Post by Peke » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:04 am

The workaround for now would be that you use mp3tag and strip invalid APETAGEX from file and them re-scan them into MMW.
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Re: Wrong Tags

Post by chrisgewinnt » Fri Mar 03, 2017 6:31 am

Peke wrote:The workaround for now would be that you use mp3tag and strip invalid APETAGEX from file and them re-scan them into MMW.
Which program do you recommend to delete the ape infos. Mp3tag, which I use, has the feature to delete a specific Tag-Code. I tried it with the file I sent you, but it didn´t work - still the wrong tag shown (mp3tag and thegodfather say there is no ape and both show the correct title and genre)! i´m quite confused.

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Re: MP3 with non standard APEv2 fail [#14063]

Post by MiPi » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:08 am

The problem is slightly more complicated. The sample file has correct ID3v2 tag, then second ID3v2 tag (values from this second tag overwrite values from the first, that is why MediaMonkey shows some "wrong" tags), then ID3v1 tag, then non-standard APETAG and then another ID3v1 tag at the end of the file. Really mess.

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Re: Wrong Tags

Post by MiPi » Fri Mar 03, 2017 10:40 am

chrisgewinnt wrote: Which program do you recommend to delete the ape infos. Mp3tag, which I use, has the feature to delete a specific Tag-Code. I tried it with the file I sent you, but it didn´t work - still the wrong tag shown (mp3tag and thegodfather say there is no ape and both show the correct title and genre)! i´m quite confused.
It seems, MP3Val tool could fix your problematic files. At least it fixed your sample file the best way it could (removed non-standard duplicate tags and preserved correct tags). Don't forget to backup all your files before trying to fix them.

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Re: Wrong Tags

Post by chrisgewinnt » Fri Mar 03, 2017 11:35 am

MiPi wrote:
chrisgewinnt wrote: Which program do you recommend to delete the ape infos. Mp3tag, which I use, has the feature to delete a specific Tag-Code. I tried it with the file I sent you, but it didn´t work - still the wrong tag shown (mp3tag and thegodfather say there is no ape and both show the correct title and genre)! i´m quite confused.
It seems, MP3Val tool could fix your problematic files. At least it fixed your sample file the best way it could (removed non-standard duplicate tags and preserved correct tags). Don't forget to backup all your files before trying to fix them.
I got this tool an will try it. The still existing problem is,that I dont want to run it with all files (50.000), because I do not exactly know, which file is read wrong. A solution whithin MM would be better.

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Re: MP3 with non standard APEv2 fail [#14063]

Post by Lowlander » Fri Mar 03, 2017 12:36 pm

You'd always be stuck with that you'd manually want to evaluate each file as you'd never know which of all the tags in the file would be the appropriate.


Note that MediaMonkey can Auto-Tag from Filename which allows you to get the tag info from the Folder/Filename. If files are properly (logically) organized this can be a great help to get the correct tags (at least for many of the basic like Title).
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Re: MP3 with non standard APEv2 fail [#14063]

Post by chrisgewinnt » Fri Mar 03, 2017 1:55 pm

Lowlander wrote:You'd always be stuck with that you'd manually want to evaluate each file as you'd never know which of all the tags in the file would be the appropriate.


Note that MediaMonkey can Auto-Tag from Filename which allows you to get the tag info from the Folder/Filename. If files are properly (logically) organized this can be a great help to get the correct tags (at least for many of the basic like Title).
Thanks Lowlander for your tip. Until now I got no problems with my tags, because musicbee (before I used Winamp, then Itunes) read everything. I tried to keep things tidy with mp3tag, but there are some problems I realised now! I am used to make intelligent playlist, that depend on my tags. The genre tag alma I used in this file describes the music from my daughter. I got a lot of live concerts/rehearsals. in this case I have custumized tags and in the comment field the date of the gig. So you see that is a really important feature for me, that has to work correct. I found a tool named mp3diags, that I will try out.

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Re: Wrong Tags

Post by MiPi » Mon Mar 06, 2017 3:46 am

chrisgewinnt wrote: I got this tool an will try it. The still existing problem is,that I dont want to run it with all files (50.000), because I do not exactly know, which file is read wrong. A solution whithin MM would be better.
I really recommend to check all your files with this MP3Val tool, because e.g. the sample file you have sent us was in fact corrupted by the wrong tags (MP3 file should not have the structure, your file has). Any tagging in any tagging software could damage these files more anytime. Other tagging software could read the tags and everything could look ok, but it is not. MP3Val tool could very quickly go through your files and tell you, which ones have wrong structure. These files you should backup and try to fix. It will not corrupt any file, that is ok, only files, where it detects problem and tries to fix it, could. So first only scan files, and, after backup, try to fix.

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Re: MP3 with non standard APEv2 fail [#14063]

Post by Peke » Mon Mar 06, 2017 4:46 am

As MiPi said, Sample file is actually corrupted with multiple Metdata ID3v2 tags saved and we unfortunately can't do anything more than just try to detect the corruption and notify in future MediaMonkey versions.
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Re: MP3 with non standard APEv2 fail [#14063]

Post by chrisgewinnt » Mon Mar 06, 2017 12:16 pm

Thanks to all for your comments. I repaired this album with mp3val and actually I am scanning all my files with mp3diags. A lot of work is waiting for my CPU! :D

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