Tracks show as played even after 1 sec of play [#10168]

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Re: Tracks show as played even after 1 sec of play [#10168]

by Lowlander » Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:37 am

Barry4679 wrote:Not exactly sure which part of the problem that you are refering to.
Local play (ie. where you sync playcounts with MMW on sync).
Barry4679 wrote:There is a track advance facility on the notification shade anyway for normal use.
Sounds more cumbersome too.

Re: Tracks show as played even after 1 sec of play [#10168]

by Barry4679 » Thu Mar 28, 2013 5:19 am

mcow wrote:Now that's this issue is fixed (at least, I think it is -- anyone confirm?), there's the other side of the coin - no increase in last-played or playcount unless you play all the way to the end. This is the same as MMW, and easier to deal with.
When playing from UPnP source it is not fixed by 0118 either.

..... (loving the lyrics auto-search which I just noticed)

Re: Tracks show as played even after 1 sec of play [#10168]

by Barry4679 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:42 pm

mcow wrote:Now that's this issue is fixed (at least, I think it is -- anyone confirm?), there's the other side of the coin - no increase in last-played or playcount unless you play all the way to the end. This is the same as MMW, and easier to deal with.
Not exactly sure which part of the problem that you are refering to.

I am running MMA 1.0.4.0117, which was an update I got yesterday.

When accidently listening to a play on MMA via UPnP the play count and date is updated at track start, with no chance to pause it in time.

As I said this then hides the affected track from an index with a not played for n days filter criteria, which is a frustration.
mcow wrote: It's generally too easy to do all sorts of things that can't be easily undone. In particular, far too easy to interrupt a playing track.
Yes.

I like the MMA UI to display the Now Playinging list. I have a 7 inch tablet. It is hard to move it without something touching|rubbing|brushing|hovering close_to some part of the screen.

I does my head in when the album that I am listening to suddenly jumps to another track.
Lowlander wrote:
mcow wrote:I would like to see two-factor UI:
Sounds like making normal use more cumbersome.
Maybe a just a preference to lock the now playing list against track change taps ... require a long press, or a swipe or something. ... There is a track advance facility on the notification shade anyway for normal use.

Re: Tracks show as played even after 1 sec of play [#10168]

by Lowlander » Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:37 pm

mcow wrote:I would like to see two-factor UI:
Sounds like making normal use more cumbersome.

Re: Tracks show as played even after 1 sec of play [#10168]

by mcow » Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:18 pm

Now that's this issue is fixed (at least, I think it is -- anyone confirm?), there's the other side of the coin - no increase in last-played or playcount unless you play all the way to the end. This is the same as MMW, and easier to deal with.
Barry4679 wrote:The MMA UI is fairly hair triggered, and it is very easy to accidentally trigger a track play while browsing an album.
It's generally too easy to do all sorts of things that can't be easily undone. In particular, far too easy to interrupt a playing track.
I would like to see two-factor UI: either a tap in two separate locations on the screen, or a gesture, for any action that will affect music playing either by starting or stopping it, other than taps on the actual Play/Prev/Next buttons. The idea proffered in another topic, of dragging left to skip forward in the playlist but not actually skip until a confirmation tap, is an example. Similarly when browsing tracks: don't start just because a tap hit the song entry.

As for the alleged difficulties with MMW UPnP server immediately updating last-played on first access: caching doesn't mean anything in this context. The UPnP spec adopts a general eventing framework, and it would be -- well, not simple, but quite doable -- to have the MMA client publish an eventing service that notifies about its actions, like Play Completed, and to have the MMW server to subscribe to it. I don't care if other UPnP clients don't also publish like that; MMW can treat them as it currently does. I wouldn't be surprised if there is already a set of events publicly defined for exactly this purpose.

Re: Tracks show as played even after 1 sec of play [#10168]

by Barry4679 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 10:01 am

Acemac wrote:I don't know if anyone else has had this, tracks played in MMA even for less than a second show as being played when metadata is sync'd back to MMW.
It is a real pain with custom MM indices based upon last play date. Example; a criteria of lastplayed > (days ago) 365.

The MMA UI is fairly hair triggered, and it is very easy to accidentally trigger a track play while browsing an album. The false play gets transmitted to MMW, and the track disappears from the album due to the index's selection criteria.

If the 1 second "play" issue can't be fixed, it would be good to have an option to tone down the hair triggered nature of the UI, ie allow a tapped track to be added to a queue, but suppress the queue from auto-starting.

Re: Tracks show as played even after 1 sec of play [#10168]

by gpzbc » Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:39 am

Lowlander wrote:UPnP playcount issue on MMW has been discussed and the problem is that it's hard to track UPnP plays reliable as clients cache the files and some clients do this several times.
Thank you. I missed that discussion. That makes sense.

Re: Tracks show as played even after 1 sec of play [#10168]

by Lowlander » Wed Mar 27, 2013 9:31 am

UPnP playcount issue on MMW has been discussed and the problem is that it's hard to track UPnP plays reliable as clients cache the files and some clients do this several times.

Re: Tracks show as played even after 1 sec of play [#10168]

by mcow » Tue Mar 26, 2013 11:44 pm

With build 117, this problem appears to have been fixed - for plays of local MMA media. Plays from UPnP server still increment immediately, but I guess that's the server rather than MMA.

Re: Tracks show as played when sync'd even after 1 sec of pl

by mcow » Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:14 am

It's possible that Pausing is changing to Stop when the BT connection is dropped (car turned off).

Re: Tracks show as played when sync'd even after 1 sec of pl

by mcow » Tue Jan 29, 2013 11:52 pm

jiri wrote:mcow, which build do you test? MMA is supposed to already remember playback position even after a longer period of time (since build 92). http://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=10162
With build 98, I'm seeing the Pause state persist for more than five minutes. It even persists across a Sync. I did see it go to Stop at one point, but I don't remember if anything might have triggered it or if it just timed out.

Re: Tracks show as played when sync'd even after 1 sec of pl

by mcow » Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:07 pm

jiri wrote:mcow, which build do you test? MMA is supposed to already remember playback position even after a longer period of time (since build 92).
I'm pretty sure that was 92; I didn't install 93 (94?) until after posting that. (Funny: The topic says 94, the install from last night's download says 93.)

Re: Tracks show as played when sync'd even after 1 sec of pl

by jiri » Wed Jan 23, 2013 2:58 am

mcow, which build do you test? MMA is supposed to already remember playback position even after a longer period of time (since build 92). http://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=10162

Jiri

Re: Tracks show as played when sync'd even after 1 sec of pl

by mcow » Tue Jan 22, 2013 8:44 pm

OK, I see that now.

I just had an unexpected behavior: Playing an album in the car. I parked the car, looked at the progress bar, decided to wait until the song ended before turning everything off. I pressed Pause when it read 2 seconds remaining, and it came to rest with 1 second remaining; that's fine. I slept the tablet (Bluetooth may have been active at that moment) and a few minutes later restarted after connecting to the home stereo. It picked up at the beginning of the song just played.

I've seen this before, where the Pause becomes a Stop after some period of time. This is one reason why implementing Stop After Current would be a good idea.

Anyway, after the album completed, I started up MMW and sync'd MMA. The playcount for each track went from zero to one -- the twice-played song did not get counted twice in the history. It showed the time of the latter play. This is inconsistent with the early play-time update while playing; you'd think (well, I'd think, anyway) that since nearly the entire song was double-played, the count would be two.

Re: Tracks show as played when sync'd even after 1 sec of pl

by Mizery_Made » Mon Jan 21, 2013 9:11 pm

The "~10 seconds" is saying that MMA considers a play at anything up to 10 seconds, which is inconsistent with MMW. Even 1 second of play will result in a playcount/last played update.

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