Hi - not sure if anyone on this forum can help - I have Sonos S3 and Bridge working fine in conjunction with Mac & iPad controller Ap. I also have Airport Express wired in to my Hi-Fi and have previously used Airfoil to "broadcast" the itunes library through the Hi-Fi amp & Speakers. I would like to broadcast via the Airport Express so that play can be synchronised from any new Sonos devices and also via hard wired speakers running from the amp. Any idead gratefully recieved!

Excellent - that's exactly what I wanted to hear

It does not need to be an open share. So you can setup your permissions on the NAS however you'd like. Then, when you add the NAS network share to the Sonos, you enter a username/password for the appropriate permissions.

question for the Sonus + NAS guys - how is the Sonus authenticated to the NAS unit?

IE, if I set the NAS up with various shares & different levels of access for different familiy members / types of file etc, how does the Sonus log onto the NAS with the appropriate user privileges? Does it require the share to be open to anyone to read, does it mandate as specific user ID / password, or do something else?

sunspot wrote:That looks nice, though at $600 for a Squeezebox and a Controller, it's not really much cheaper than a Sonos.

I keep waiting for Apple to release an iPod-like remote control for either the AirPort Express or the AppleTV. Alternately, you'd think someone could hack together an iPod-like remote using the wireless capabilities of the iPod Touch itself.

It's actually $400 for a Duet which is a Controller and a Squeezebox without a display. The display is on the remote. If you have a decent stereo and speakers the Squeezebox is awesome. Very good quality. I use MM gold to organize, dbpoweramp to rip and convert and the Squeezebox to play wireless to my stereo. It works great and if my computer is off I use the Squeezebox to access Pandora and other Internet stations.

It's all about the network drives. I'm up to about 800gig (backed up of course) of rips of my own CDs (I always encode to flac level 8 - lossless is the only way to go) plus torrents I've downloaded (I don't even bother burning those to CD anymore). If I want portability I load it into my iPod (one of the best things about MM imo - iPod support). I'm gradually extending the Sonos network by purchasing new stations.

After much debate I decided to store the MM database on NAS drive along with the music files. This makes it accessible to each computer in the house. With a laptop and the Sonos desktop software, you don't need a controller. Of course, I like the controller design very much and use it all the time - but it is a tad pricey.

As far as fidelity is concerned, I don't hear any problems but I haven't done a blind listening test. Any audiophiles out there care to comment? Is Sonos doing any lossy compression?

I've got a LaCie Ethernet Disk Mini. It's rackmounted. Quick to setup and have not had any problems with it.

Hi Laryu,

I'm now looking to buy a Nas drive for the Sonos system rather than having to leave my pc on continually.

Could I ask - which one do you use and are you happy with it?

Thanks

I've got a Sonos system, too. I have 4 zones (1 ZP80; 3 ZP100) playing music stored on an NAS. My wife and I each a laptop and use MM to manage ripping CDs and tagging of music stored on the NAS.

IMHO, the Sonos can't be beat for ease of initial setup, the slickness of the remote, and how well the mesh network works. You never have to think about the network and the technology just disappears. Anecdotally, I've heard of others who have trouble getting their Slim Squeezebox talking to their network. Haven't heard much about Roku but would be interested in hearing if others have had experiences. Before the Sonos, I had an Audiotron, which I also loved! If anyone has specific questions on the setup, let me know.

I use a somewhat less expensive and less than ideal workaround.


I have an iphone. With the latest version of Airfoil and the Airport Express, I'm able to get most of the functionality the Sonos system offers using a program by Alloysoft called Signal, which lets you use the iphone/itouch as a remote on which you can rate songs, see genres, artwork, control volume, etc. The only drawback is that Signal works with iTunes, Winamp, or Windows Media Player, and not MM specifically. To the extent that Winamp and MM share some things in common, I can see and control what's loaded into the "Now Playing" window in MM via my iphone, but I have more controls and features if I use Winamp (or one of the other two above-mentioned players).


Also, with Signal, besides the iphone you can also use an iPod touch, or a Windows Mobile Pocket PC as your remote.

Signal-..............................25
Airfoil-...............................25
Airport Express.................100
ipod touch/iphone.....~250/400

I'm not a fan of Apple, and certainly wouldn't buy an ipod touch or iphone (mine was a gift) just for remote capabilities, but since I already had one, for an extra 150 dollars or so, I'm pleased with the ability I have to listen to my music library away from the computer and throughout the house.

nothing comes close to the Sonos controller...it is essentially a handheld computer and display with wireless connectivity....BUT


This is a little IR remote that is supposed to work with iTunes and Airports:

http://www.keyspan.com/products/urm17a/

I have not used this but it is referenced as compatible with Remote Speakers:

http://emilles.dyndns.org/software/out_apx.html

which can access multiple Airport Experesses and remotely controls volume of output plugin....I DO use "Remote Speakers" as my output..it works great..although gapless playback output as with MM's output plugin is not available...( Would it be possible to output an output plugin to another output plugin?)

I have "Enhanced Output" control in the wishlist forum here. It really would be great if MM could integrate an output "matrix" functionality ...it seems appropriate to the "mission". This "convergence" and utility for the user is long overdue in my opinion. The Sonos system is great...and there are othe products specific to itunes and others such as the remote referenced above. For me the same problem that brought me to MM from other players is the problem...due to size nothing but MM can really handle my library....also a large part of our music experience has become "exploring"...which MM is essential for.

That looks nice, though at $600 for a Squeezebox and a Controller, it's not really much cheaper than a Sonos.

I keep waiting for Apple to release an iPod-like remote control for either the AirPort Express or the AppleTV. Alternately, you'd think someone could hack together an iPod-like remote using the wireless capabilities of the iPod Touch itself.

cmx wrote:I will probably be getting a Sonus in the future to use in conjunction with MM. There are several systems out there ..as mentioned..but the Sonus with its very sexy controller is definitely the best of the breed.

In my opinion you Sonos guys definitely have the best of both worlds. I am jealous.

The new controller for the squeezebox (http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_controller.html) is the same size screen and the squeezebox has the same type of networking capabilities. Additional receivers can be added for zones at a much lower cost than Sonos (but they don't come with an amplifier, that would have to be added).

In addition the squeezebox has a huge community of talented plugin developers, which gives their controller way more upside with respect to controller enhanscements, while the Sonos is a closed system and Sonos seems very slow to react to feature requests from users.

Yes, the controller for Sonos is VERY sexy...lol....and the setup is incredibly easy. The functionality of the unit covers just about every need..***MM devs take note***- having an output "matrix" and being able to select multiple outputs and direct to different destinations is a MAJOR plus. This is definitely a product that got it right.

I am still VERY MUCH thinking about getting the Sonus system.

I have a HUGE library and need MM for management, no choice. There are serious organizational and management issues that needed to be overcome...In addition to mp3's I have a huge library of m4a's so I have been waiting for quite a while for MM to become usable and stable. Actually things are about a year behind schedule from my point of view.

...so MM had to come first...and then I developed the wireless music system I have now to work with it, homebrew of the systems like Sonos. I also already had multi-room speaker control...that is a big part of the whole deal.

I will probably be getting a Sonus in the future to use in conjunction with MM. There are several systems out there ..as mentioned..but the Sonus with its very sexy controller is definitely the best of the breed.

In my opinion you Sonos guys definitely have the best of both worlds. I am jealous.

Yes, some interesting views.

I don't think that I'll regret the Sonos purchase - for me it's worth the premium to have a system which is simple and stable, and so easy to use. Now I can come home after a hard day on the golf course, relax on the sofa with my feet up and have only one button to push to listen to my music! To think that I used to have to search through piles of LPs, get them out of the sleeve, wipe them (sometimes!), put them on the deck, line up the stylus... and then have to get up 15 mins later to turn them over!

Hi cmx, I'm sure you're right that a lot of it can be done cheaper, but I don't think the ease-of-use of the handheld controller can be emulated easily. My past IT experience makes me think that an off-the-shelf working solution has advantages over the do-it-yourself customised self-build option.

Returning to MM it's good that the same database (ie music files) can be accessed by both MM & Sonos with each maintaining its own index. My concern was that they may use the tag data differently but there seems to be good standardisation. In fact data fields can be changed by MM which are then immediately picked up by Sonos (album art for example)

I haven't heard of the 40,000 track limit on Sonos. I suppose it could only be a index-size problem which could be expanded by s/w.

Thanks again for the info. Actually if anyone could put together a "budget" Sonos-like system there could be a lot of potential customers out there!