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Re: Mediamonkey vs Helium Music Manager

by Stigg » Tue Oct 23, 2018 2:37 am

Is this player any good?
Does it support DSD?

Re: Mediamonkey vs Helium music manager

by nynaevelan » Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:45 pm

I would be interested in your opinion, especially as it seems I am the opposite of you. MM is my main management program and I enjoy most of what it offers. However I have tried Helium in the hopes of finding something that my husband will like to use, he does not like the complexity of MM. In fact I spent a significant amount of time beta testing Helium7. Although I think my opinion of Helium may have been tainted because I use some of the more complex scripts that MM has to offer. But excluding the playlist tab which Helium has I do not think it ranks higher in any other area than MM. And although it has a cleaner/more uncluttered look than MM, navigation is difficult. It has to rescan your tracks everytime you move into the separate node areas, very inconvenient. Also, although I did not try it, the Artist tab looked like it had some great potential, but I never tried it. But as I said I am an extensive script user so my particular needs will always keep me here, there just is no other management program out there that offers what MM and it's user community does. But in comparison to everything other than MM, it is fantastic. Also, keep in mind I have not tried any of the tagging features of Helium so I am only speaking on the playlist and general library functionality.

Keep in mind I am a lifetime owner of MM and I own a license of Helium, so technically I am supporting both. But yes I am a fangirl of MM because I have not found a program through my many years on pc's that I love and dedicate as much time with as I do with MM.

Re: Mediamonkey vs Helium music manager

by qwert73 » Fri Oct 23, 2009 12:31 pm

Maybe you are interested to here an opinion of someone who doesn't belong to mm users (i used mm for some special tasks). To be honest: many of you appear as fanboys (not only in this thread) without the ability to make an objective comparison. I am not interested in a long discussion, just hope that some of you will think about it. :)

Re: Mediamonkey vs Helium music manager

by arthurb » Wed Oct 21, 2009 7:01 am

About a year to 18 months ago, I spent a couple of months comparing various players, which ended up as three weeks or so comparing MM and Helium (7 I think). I was looking to start the process of putting a large proportion of a medium-sized collection (approx 1400 albums/discs) on to PCs.

I am different to most users (not all) in that a majority of my collection is classical, with about 500 Rock/Pop/World etc, and 100 Jazz. I had already realised that iTunes and WMA and others can be ok for the latter two categories, but were appalling for anything more than a handful of 'classical' albums. MM and Helium seemed to offer the flexibility to organise these categories differently. However, I could never (in my free month) get Helium to organise my collection in two totally different ways, whereas, in the same period I did manage this with MM.

So, to anyone reading this who also has a very varied music collection which includes a large amount of classical, I would say that MM is the ONLY software player/organiser that will do what is needed. I looked at almost all, discarded most (quickly), and MM was much better than the alternatives.


By the way, organising the classical library entails some initial work, and extra work when ripping. Genres have to be set up, 'Filters and Views' accordingly, and when ripping 'albums' (pseudo-albums?) must be created for each individual 'work'. Once this is done, MM works well.

Re: Mediamonkey vs Helium music manager

by nynaevelan » Tue Oct 06, 2009 5:01 am

Uh Oh, Helium is going to release a feature that MM does not offer natively: http://www.helium-music-manager.com/for ... tml#p18265. A feature that would make using your library remotely much more appealing.

Re: Mediamonkey vs Helium music manager

by dypsis » Sat Aug 22, 2009 6:44 pm

cnibert wrote:
dypsis wrote: No. I should have been MUCH harsher. I was being constrained. Maybe you have a small library with a simple folder structure, but I just spent hours deleting jpg images.
I just do a search for jpg images in my music directory. This finds all the jpg images in the folder structure and I can delete all the images at once.
I can't do that. I have valid images in sub folders of my music. That is what is so annoying. It even renamed some of my valid images and put "Copy of" in front of the file name.
The stupid thing is that I selected the player to read from tag, like I always do. My music was already tagged, so why create and re-create jpg images?

Re: Mediamonkey vs Helium music manager

by cnibert » Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:01 pm

dypsis wrote: No. I should have been MUCH harsher. I was being constrained. Maybe you have a small library with a simple folder structure, but I just spent hours deleting jpg images.
I just do a search for jpg images in my music directory. This finds all the jpg images in the folder structure and I can delete all the images at once.

Re: Mediamonkey vs Helium music manager

by nynaevelan » Fri Aug 21, 2009 1:17 pm

Lowlander wrote:Did you report it as a bug as this seems like a bug to me.
It's been happening so long I honestly do not remember.

Re: Mediamonkey vs Helium music manager

by Lowlander » Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:57 pm

Did you report it as a bug as this seems like a bug to me.

Re: Mediamonkey vs Helium music manager

by nynaevelan » Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:57 am

Lowlander wrote:Tools > Options > Tags & Playlists allows you to change the Album Art behavior and folder it will store it in. And if you don't configure it MediaMonkey will ask the user to embed or save externally.
I have that set up but it does not work, the art does not get saved to that location, each time I have to enter the information when saving art.

Here is an example of what I mean, I have my art setup to store as w:\music\album art\$First(<Artist>) - <Album>.jpg but each time MM defaults in w~\music\album art\$First(<Artist>) - <Album>.jpg

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Re: Mediamonkey vs Helium music manager

by Lowlander » Fri Aug 21, 2009 9:40 am

nynaevelan wrote:And the default behavior is to put the art in the album folder and MM has not or probably will not give the user the option to setup a default location in which to store the art, something that Helium does offer btw.
Tools > Options > Tags & Playlists allows you to change the Album Art behavior and folder it will store it in. And if you don't configure it MediaMonkey will ask the user to embed or save externally.

Re: Mediamonkey vs Helium music manager

by nynaevelan » Fri Aug 21, 2009 7:06 am

dypsis wrote: No. I should have been MUCH harsher. I was being constrained. Maybe you have a small library with a simple folder structure, but I just spent hours deleting jpg images.

Any player that messes around with your tracks or adds files to to your track folders without your permission is not worth having.
My collection was fully tagged including cover art. If they have to use images to display cover art, then they should use a separate folder. Not put them amongst your collection. I don't know how much you value your music, but I spend a lot of time ripping and tagging, and I don't want some rogue player messing with them without my consent.

It is something that MediaMonkey developers seem to understand.
I still disagree with you, both MM and Helium have options in their setups to avoid these issues. Although like you I did not set them up correctly to avoid the problem. And seeing as how there are not that many complaints on their forum, this must be a behavior that many want or do not find that annoying. But consider it a lesson learned, make sure you setup the options before adding your music. :wink: The same could be said for MM, when the program is originally installed, it too has the default behavior setup to alter the tags of your music. And the default behavior is to put the art in the album folder and MM has not or probably will not give the user the option to setup a default location in which to store the art, something that Helium does offer btw.

Re: Mediamonkey vs Helium music manager

by dypsis » Fri Aug 21, 2009 5:20 am

nynaevelan wrote:
dypsis wrote:If you really care about your music collection, then I would strongly advise against putting this piece of crap on your computer.

Apart from altering file dates, it has strewn jpg images all through my music library. I now have to gradually go through and delete them 1 by 1. :-?

It is a good lesson for me not to let an unknown player at my music collection until I have tested it with a few copies.

Apart from this, Helium has a few issues that are really annoying. But I won't go into them now because it has too many issues to bother about.

You've been warned. :wink:
Wow, that is harsh!! Yes, Helium has some "problems" and compared to MM it is very primitive, but it also has some features that are superior to MM. I think it would be fair to other users to let them reach their own conclusions. BTW, both complaints that you stated can be turned off in the Options section, the fist in the current version and the second in the upcoming beta version. The first was really easy for me to fix because I do not keep pics in my folders, so I just deleted them all. :wink: And in case anyone is wondering, no I am not switching from MM, I am looking for something cleaner and simpler to use for my hubby, he hasn't taken to MM as well as I have.

Nyn
No. I should have been MUCH harsher. I was being constrained. Maybe you have a small library with a simple folder structure, but I just spent hours deleting jpg images.

Any player that messes around with your tracks or adds files to to your track folders without your permission is not worth having.
My collection was fully tagged including cover art. If they have to use images to display cover art, then they should use a separate folder. Not put them amongst your collection. I don't know how much you value your music, but I spend a lot of time ripping and tagging, and I don't want some rogue player messing with them without my consent.

It is something that MediaMonkey developers seem to understand.

Re: Mediamonkey vs Helium music manager

by nynaevelan » Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:23 am

dypsis wrote:If you really care about your music collection, then I would strongly advise against putting this piece of crap on your computer.

Apart from altering file dates, it has strewn jpg images all through my music library. I now have to gradually go through and delete them 1 by 1. :-?

It is a good lesson for me not to let an unknown player at my music collection until I have tested it with a few copies.

Apart from this, Helium has a few issues that are really annoying. But I won't go into them now because it has too many issues to bother about.

You've been warned. :wink:
Wow, that is harsh!! Yes, Helium has some "problems" and compared to MM it is very primitive, but it also has some features that are superior to MM. I think it would be fair to other users to let them reach their own conclusions. BTW, both complaints that you stated can be turned off in the Options section, the fist in the current version and the second in the upcoming beta version. The first was really easy for me to fix because I do not keep pics in my folders, so I just deleted them all. :wink: And in case anyone is wondering, no I am not switching from MM, I am looking for something cleaner and simpler to use for my hubby, he hasn't taken to MM as well as I have.

Nyn

Re: Mediamonkey vs Helium music manager

by dypsis » Fri Aug 21, 2009 3:44 am

If you really care about your music collection, then I would strongly advise against putting this piece of crap on your computer.

Apart from altering file dates, it has strewn jpg images all through my music library. I now have to gradually go through and delete them 1 by 1. :-?

It is a good lesson for me not to let an unknown player at my music collection until I have tested it with a few copies.

Apart from this, Helium has a few issues that are really annoying. But I won't go into them now because it has too many issues to bother about.

You've been warned. :wink:

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