by Barry4679 » Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:44 pm
Davo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:59 am
To date i haven't heard one solid argument that suggests an expanded Media Tree can't coexist with a multi-dimensional graphical browser based display.
Sometimes simplicity is paramount
I don't know why they turned it off.
I am not trying to argue with you ... just saying that I don't miss it ... and that I am pleased with the new browsing methods,
that for me, have superseded it.
As I said in the previous post, I not worried if they come back, provided they don't make the UI sluggish.
Davo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:59 am
The Media Tree is an extremely simple & efficient way of locating information without having to wade through views & search queries, no matter how multidimensional, sleek, or exciting that may be
Yeah, I said all that multi-dimensional yadda yadda ... but that doesn't mean that it is complex to use, or there is anything much you need to learn
I don't want to labour the point unnecessarily, but here is a couple quick example to make that point.
First make sure that you still have Tools|Options|Library|Search set to the default ... Contextual search, at the top, still set to "filter matches".
Unless I have mixed you up with someone else, you are interested in Classic Music ... right?
So go to the Classical Music node to filter just to your classical tracks, and click AllTracks .... that's all the "wading" through indexes and views that is required
Say you wanted to view or edit some of your Beethoven tracks played by Jacqueline Du Pré
All you do is type
beet jacq .... there is no special search syntax that you need to learn ... just typing into the view, when the mouse focus in in the grid, opens a search control for your for the "beet jacq"criteria, and filters the display to just your albums containing these tags
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bbrs4sfms3hh9 ... q.png?dl=0
Or you were looking for the quartet containing the title "Death and the Maiden" .... just type
maid, and it filters to just albums having tracks like this
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7da5tspmjad653v/maid.png?dl=0
And if you want some list scrolling it is done better with the Column Browser. In this example I have configured it with 3 columns; Composer>Genre>Artist. ... So I scrolled to Brahms, and then to his Chamber music, and finally filtered to just his Chamber tracks featuring Daniel Barenboim ...
ps. the column browser is switched on like this
https://www.dropbox.com/s/mcno7i1le233j ... r.png?dl=0
And if I wasn't so album focused, I would have used the List view for these three examples, rather than the Album&Tracks view
https://www.dropbox.com/s/pn967ucuksl2j ... s.png?dl=0
Davo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:59 am
By user defined Media Tree, i mean being able to set up multiple views of the tree, eg Composer/Album or Composer/Artist etc. This obviates the need to proscribe what & how data elements are viewed & avoids endless discussion about implementing particular nodes & the structure of the tree. Just set it up the way you wan't it.
Thanks for the clarification.
There are things that you could do in MM4 if you used the magic Nodes extension ... and this flexibility will be lost in MM5, because Magic Nodes is not being migrated to MM5 ... it would have been good if some extra flexibility was built into MM5 to compensate ... like being able to substitute albumartist index for artist index, or summarising a list to show just the artists or albums that it contains, in list mode, rather than just grid mode ... but in many of these cases the Column Browser is your friend
dmcritchie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 1:52 pm
So the new way is fine for those who prefer it or learn to like it, but there is little disadvantage to supporting both ways of accessing our data. And as I wrote before, the average user migrating from MM4 to MM5 is not likely to want to fool around with an unfamiliar interface for very long. I think he/she is mostly going to want to hit the ground running, and then think "That was easy!".
I don't think that we have any significant point of disagreement. ... I do think that the case for upgrade to MM5 will be compelling, due to the new and improved features, and enhanced navigation is just a part of that.
[quote=Davo post_id=459107 time=1559991596 user_id=10457]
To date i haven't heard one solid argument that suggests an expanded Media Tree can't coexist with a multi-dimensional graphical browser based display.
Sometimes simplicity is paramount
[/quote]
I don't know why they turned it off.
I am not trying to argue with you ... just saying that I don't miss it ... and that I am pleased with the new browsing methods, [i]that for me[/i], have superseded it.
As I said in the previous post, I not worried if they come back, provided they don't make the UI sluggish.
[quote=Davo post_id=459107 time=1559991596 user_id=10457]
The Media Tree is an extremely simple & efficient way of locating information without having to wade through views & search queries, no matter how multidimensional, sleek, or exciting that may be
[/quote]
Yeah, I said all that multi-dimensional yadda yadda ... but that doesn't mean that it is complex to use, or there is anything much you need to learn
I don't want to labour the point unnecessarily, but here is a couple quick example to make that point.
First make sure that you still have Tools|Options|Library|Search set to the default ... Contextual search, at the top, still set to "filter matches".
Unless I have mixed you up with someone else, you are interested in Classic Music ... right?
So go to the Classical Music node to filter just to your classical tracks, and click AllTracks .... that's all the "wading" through indexes and views that is required
Say you wanted to view or edit some of your Beethoven tracks played by Jacqueline Du Pré
All you do is type [b]beet jacq[/b] .... there is no special search syntax that you need to learn ... just typing into the view, when the mouse focus in in the grid, opens a search control for your for the "beet jacq"criteria, and filters the display to just your albums containing these tags
[url]https://www.dropbox.com/s/bbrs4sfms3hh9xl/beet%20jacq.png?dl=0[/url]
Or you were looking for the quartet containing the title "Death and the Maiden" .... just type [b]maid[/b], and it filters to just albums having tracks like this
[url]https://www.dropbox.com/s/7da5tspmjad653v/maid.png?dl=0[/url]
And if you want some list scrolling it is done better with the Column Browser. In this example I have configured it with 3 columns; Composer>Genre>Artist. ... So I scrolled to Brahms, and then to his Chamber music, and finally filtered to just his Chamber tracks featuring Daniel Barenboim ... [size=85]ps. the column browser is switched on like [url=https://www.dropbox.com/s/s1n166zvfgoso2i/turn%20on%20column%20browser.png?dl=0]this[/url] [/size]
[url]https://www.dropbox.com/s/mcno7i1le233jgy/browsing%20via%20Column%20Browser.png?dl=0[/url]
And if I wasn't so album focused, I would have used the List view for these three examples, rather than the Album&Tracks view
[url]https://www.dropbox.com/s/pn967ucuksl2jc3/list%20examples.png?dl=0[/url]
[quote=Davo post_id=459107 time=1559991596 user_id=10457]
By user defined Media Tree, i mean being able to set up multiple views of the tree, eg Composer/Album or Composer/Artist etc. This obviates the need to proscribe what & how data elements are viewed & avoids endless discussion about implementing particular nodes & the structure of the tree. Just set it up the way you wan't it.
[/quote]
Thanks for the clarification.
There are things that you could do in MM4 if you used the magic Nodes extension ... and this flexibility will be lost in MM5, because Magic Nodes is not being migrated to MM5 ... it would have been good if some extra flexibility was built into MM5 to compensate ... like being able to substitute albumartist index for artist index, or summarising a list to show just the artists or albums that it contains, in list mode, rather than just grid mode ... but in many of these cases the Column Browser is your friend
[quote=dmcritchie post_id=459118 time=1560019975 user_id=70286]
So the new way is fine for those who prefer it or learn to like it, but there is little disadvantage to supporting both ways of accessing our data. And as I wrote before, the average user migrating from MM4 to MM5 is not likely to want to fool around with an unfamiliar interface for very long. I think he/she is mostly going to want to hit the ground running, and then think "That was easy!". :-)
[/quote]
I don't think that we have any significant point of disagreement. ... I do think that the case for upgrade to MM5 will be compelling, due to the new and improved features, and enhanced navigation is just a part of that.