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Re: Configure an alternative file manager as an external tool

by tbm72 » Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:42 pm

Peke wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:18 am Hi,
There is no need for you to test, I installed trial version of XYplorer and it do not integrate completely into Windows 10 file explore, it only replaces some parts.

Mainly here is how I tested:
1. Double click on My computer icon on desktop -> Windows file explorer opened
2. Right click on Any shortcut icon on desktop or in Start menu -> Open File Location -> Windows file explorer opened
3. Double click on My computer icon on desktop -> Opened drive letter -> XYplorer opened
4. Total Commander -> Right click Open folder -> Windows explorer opens
5. Firefox -> Open File -> Quick Access -> Windows file explorer opened

I also tried Changing Registry keys and have no way to set above to open in XYplorer. Lets hope that dev of XYplorer can shred some light.

EDIT: I forgot to add that in past only way to fully customize Windows explorer is to do complete replacement of explorer as default manager (Desktop included)
For Kids I use https://www.magicdesktop.com/en-us
but in the past I have used https://www.stardock.com/products/odnt/ and https://www.deviantart.com/rainmeter and also few of these https://www.online-tech-tips.com/softwa ... -programs/ (bit outdated if I find newer list I'll update)
Thanks Peke, I really appreciate you installing the app to test it. I must have it configured slightly differently somehow then because Windows opens desktop shortcuts and pretty much everything else in XY for me, including third party media managers>open file location.

But I appreciate it's probably out of scope for you to investigate any more so I'll keep playing around with it and see if I can find a solution. If I find a fix or workaround I'll share it here in case anyone else has the same issue in future.

Thanks for trying!

Re: Configure an alternative file manager as an external tool

by Peke » Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:18 am

Hi,
There is no need for you to test, I installed trial version of XYplorer and it do not integrate completely into Windows 10 file explore, it only replaces some parts.

Mainly here is how I tested:
1. Double click on My computer icon on desktop -> Windows file explorer opened
2. Right click on Any shortcut icon on desktop or in Start menu -> Open File Location -> Windows file explorer opened
3. Double click on My computer icon on desktop -> Opened drive letter -> XYplorer opened
4. Total Commander -> Right click Open folder -> Windows explorer opens
5. Firefox -> Open File -> Quick Access -> Windows file explorer opened

I also tried Changing Registry keys and have no way to set above to open in XYplorer. Lets hope that dev of XYplorer can shred some light.

EDIT: I forgot to add that in past only way to fully customize Windows explorer is to do complete replacement of explorer as default manager (Desktop included)
For Kids I use https://www.magicdesktop.com/en-us
but in the past I have used https://www.stardock.com/products/odnt/ and https://www.deviantart.com/rainmeter and also few of these https://www.online-tech-tips.com/softwa ... -programs/ (bit outdated if I find newer list I'll update)

Re: Configure an alternative file manager as an external tool

by tbm72 » Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:41 am

Peke wrote: Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:54 pm Hi,
THX Rusty for find. It would be interesting to set XYPlorer also in folder registry and see if that fixes it.

Let us know If you have any other issues and what XYPlorer devs said.
Thanks Peke, I'm a little wary of messing with the registry as I don't really know what I'm doing but can you advise what key specifically I should try to set to XYPlorer to change the folder registry?

Re: Configure an alternative file manager as an external tool

by Peke » Tue Apr 13, 2021 8:54 pm

Hi,
THX Rusty for find. It would be interesting to set XYPlorer also in folder registry and see if that fixes it.

Let us know If you have any other issues and what XYPlorer devs said.

Re: Configure an alternative file manager as an external tool

by rusty » Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:41 pm

I should have been more explicit--I was sharing that for Peke and the devs as that post appears to document the approach taken by xyxplorer.

-Rusty

Re: Configure an alternative file manager as an external tool

by tbm72 » Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:37 pm

rusty wrote: Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:42 am Info about xyxplorer registry edits that are made to replace Windows Explorer as the default:
https://www.xyplorer.com/xyfc/viewtopic.php?t=19620
Thanks Rusty but I think I've seen that post before and all my registry keys they quote are as they should be (they're different keys than the ones Peke asked about). I'll see if the developer of XYPlorer can shed any light on it.

Re: Configure an alternative file manager as an external tool

by rusty » Tue Apr 13, 2021 10:42 am

Info about xyxplorer registry edits that are made to replace Windows Explorer as the default:
https://www.xyplorer.com/xyfc/viewtopic.php?t=19620

Re: Configure an alternative file manager as an external tool

by tbm72 » Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:41 am

I'm not sure whether XYPlorer has changed any of those values (I don't know what they were originally) but these are the current values:

HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Folder\shell\open\command
(Default): %SystemRoot%\Explorer.exe
DelegateExecute: {11dbb47c-a525-400b-9e80-a54615a090c0}

HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Folder\shell
(Default): (value not set)

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\Folder\shell
(Default): (value not set)

I don't see any reference to XYPlorer in those 3 keys but I presume it must have made a change somewhere as all the other apps are launching it when I go to open a file location.

Edit: I deselected the option in XYPlorer to make it the default explorer and those 3 registry keys above stayed the same.

Re: Configure an alternative file manager as an external tool

by Peke » Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:57 pm

Hi,
Can you please check if XYPlorer changes this registry Key HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Folder\shell\open\command , HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Folder\shell , HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Classes\Folder\shell and if yes can you share the values?

Re: Configure an alternative file manager as an external tool

by tbm72 » Mon Apr 12, 2021 4:08 pm

It's just a setting in XYPlorer that presumably makes a registry change so that XYPlorer is used for any file actions:

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But in MM if I right click a track and go to 'Find More From Same > Folder (Explorer)' it still opens up an instance of Windows Explorer instead of XYPlorer.

In all the other 3 separate sample manager apps I've used today, doing the same thing (e.g. right clicking an audio file and selecting 'Open in Explorer') correctly opens up the file's location in XYPlorer.

The only app that insists on opening a file's location in a Windows Explorer window is MM. Even Windows Explorer itself will open an instance of XYPlorer if I double click a folder inside it.

Re: Configure an alternative file manager as an external tool

by Ludek » Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:50 am

tbm72 wrote: Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:22 am I've set XYPlorer to be my default file manager globally in Windows and every other app locates files externally within XYPlorer. It seems that MM is the only one that defaults to using Windows Explorer.
Can you please elaborate how exactly you set the XYPlorer to the default file manager in Windows and how MM defaults to Windows Explorer. i.e. which exact actions in MM defaults to the Windows Explorer? Do you mean Find More From Same > Folder (Explorer) or menu File > Open URL or file > [Browse...] ?

Thanks!

Re: Configure an alternative file manager as an external tool

by tbm72 » Mon Apr 12, 2021 6:22 am

Just revisiting this issue as I've been playing around with a few sample library managers today and they all have the option to locate a file externally within the user's file explorer (usually something like right click>Show In Explorer). When I do that, they all locate the file directly in my alternative file manager of choice (XYPlorer).

I've set XYPlorer to be my default file manager globally in Windows and every other app locates files externally within XYPlorer. It seems that MM is the only one that defaults to using Windows Explorer.

I was just wondering if there's a reason that MM acts differently when handling external file management to all the others I've been trying today (including Sononym, Resonic Pro, ADSR Sample Manager).

Re: Configure an alternative file manager as an external tool

by Ludek » Thu Jan 14, 2021 11:35 am

You might want to try to hack the registry value HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\Folder\shell\explore\command per https://qa.mythicsoft.com/10473/total-c ... ter-search and then Find More From Same > Folder (exporer) should open the folder in your file manager. Not tried myself yet though

Re: Configure an alternative file manager as an external tool

by tbm72 » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:41 am

Agreed, I can just drag and drop into Audacity but I have certain situations when I'm working on projects where I need to access tracks directly in my file manager for various processes and it's just something I'd gotten used to with MM4. Not to worry, it's not a massive issue, just need to adapt my workflow or perhaps the author might update his addon for MM5 in the future.

Re: Configure an alternative file manager as an external tool

by Ludek » Thu Jan 14, 2021 10:14 am

OK, I haven't tried that addon, but why not to use MM5 directly for the management and not use drag and drop to the Audiacity ? It works for me on 2293. I.e. drag a file from MM and drop to Audiacity

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