Level Tarck volume non-functional in Rip Audio CD [#13411]

[terryo]

In the Tools menu, "Level Track volume" does what it says and posts the adjustment in the Track Volume column.

Using the "Rip Audio CD" function and checking "Level Track volume" in the popup box leaves the Track Volume column blank.

Shouldn't these two identically labelled functions perform the same operation?

[Lowlander]

It's on the radar: https://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=13411

However if you're leveling the Track Volume no longer needs to be used and you can use Analyze Volume if you want a value to be calculated.

[Ludek]

In the Tools menu, "Level Track volume" does what it says and posts the adjustment in the Track Volume column.

Using the "Rip Audio CD" function and checking "Level Track volume" in the popup box leaves the Track Volume column blank.

Shouldn't these two identically labelled functions perform the same operation?

"Level Track Volume" always irreversibly modifies the track (converts to the calculated gain level) despite calling it from Tools menu or via the Rip dialog. You are probably mixing it with "Analyze volume" actions that just calculates the gain levels.

[terryo]

I'm not mixing up anything. The labels are identical in the two places of the program but they behave differently.

[Peke]

I'm not mixing up anything. The labels are identical in the two places of the program but they behave differently.

They behave same. Track volume should be empty as on RIP track volume is not calculated because tracks are already leveled directly in Audio. Track volume level is gain index for analyzed tracks and in coalition with set options at Tools -> Options -> Player -> Volume Leveling

[Ludek]

Actually seeing that alhough the coefs should go to zero in both cases it behaves slightly differently e.g. for track with Track Volume 7 dB it goes to something like 0.23 dB after the leveling. Re-opened https://www.ventismedia.com/mantis/view.php?id=18083 , I suppose it should go to zero in both ceses (no matter from where is track leveled)

[terryo]

Now you are losing me.

First: Tracks going to zero are not common. My library has Track Volumes from -10.0 to +64.8. Out of 247,127 tracks, I have 3,669 with 0.0 dB.

Second: Level Track volume may in some sense perform the same in code under both the Tool menu and inside Rip CD, but in the user interface the behavior looks very different. Under Tools it fills in the Track Volume column with dB readings. In Rip CD it leaves that column empty.

Furthermore, after ripping a CD, if I run Level Track volume from Tools, it slowly works through the tracks gradually filling in the column. It looks like it is performing the leveling operation for the first time.

I don't know what your code is doing, but the behavior I see in the program interface looks very different.

[Lowlander]

Level Track Volume, will run each time you initiate it, even if it's the tenth time on the same file. So once files are leveled and you need to Track or Album Volume for some reason, you can run Analyze Volume instead to just get that calculated.

[terryo]

The fundamental question then is: Why does Level Track volume started under "Tools" fill in the Track Volume column in the library and the identically labeled Level Track volume in Rip CD does not?

To a user, that divergent behavior from an identically labeled function in different parts of the program is confusing.