Sony NW-A55 not all songs appear on playlist

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Sony NW-A55 not all songs appear on playlist

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I have a rather large MM collection (57,881 songs) so I use AutoPlaylists as my primary means of getting to music. Most of my songs have multiple Occasions, Moods, and Genres separated by semi-colons (if that even matters).

The problem is that the autoplaylists have significantly more songs in MM than the same playlist on the Sony NW-A55. For example, one playlist has 1690 files on MM but on the NW-A55, it indicates only 679 songs. I checked the generated M3U file on the SD card and it has 1690 lines.

I'm using the profile for the A40/45. Running MM version 4.1.29.1910 (purchased).
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Hi,
Can you compare what files are missing and find it manually in M3U and compare path with one that is in List to see why A55 do not see and play.

Problem is that is files are shown in M3U something in format is wrong and needs to be adjusted to make them work.
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Re: Sony NW-A55 not all songs appear on playlist

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Peke wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:25 am Hi,
Can you compare what files are missing and find it manually in M3U and compare path with one that is in List to see why A55 do not see and play.

Problem is that is files are shown in M3U something in format is wrong and needs to be adjusted to make them work.
I did locate a handful and was able to verify they existed on the device. I'm on the road so I can't diagnose it without MM but I will soon.

Is there some way to have MM rename the files to something unique but short on the device? I noticed that on an iPod, files would be called j38ajas91ilkj81okj2.mp3 (something hashed).
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Hi,
Yes, each Device profile have have path+filename destination masks that can be tweaked.

I do not have Sony on hand but if I remember correctly it shows as Drive letter. If yes you can try to play M3U from MM by Drag and Drop from device and you will see if all 1690 are loaded. Maybe some Format conversion needs to be adjusted for Sony. That is why profile existed and started in first place.

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Peke wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:31 am Hi,
Yes, each Device profile have have path+filename destination masks that can be tweaked.

I do not have Sony on hand but if I remember correctly it shows as Drive letter. If yes you can try to play M3U from MM by Drag and Drop from device and you will see if all 1690 are loaded. Maybe some Format conversion needs to be adjusted for Sony. That is why profile existed and started in first place.

Keep safe, talk when you get back.
I might have to modify the profile somehow to simply/collapse/shorten paths and filenames (e.g. /MUSIC/BX/JA8JAL91829AKSO.mp3). I have no need for the device to retain original directory/filename labels. It's just playing music.
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Peke wrote: Thu Aug 06, 2020 10:31 am Hi,
Yes, each Device profile have have path+filename destination masks that can be tweaked.

I do not have Sony on hand but if I remember correctly it shows as Drive letter. If yes you can try to play M3U from MM by Drag and Drop from device and you will see if all 1690 are loaded. Maybe some Format conversion needs to be adjusted for Sony. That is why profile existed and started in first place.

Keep safe, talk when you get back.
Ok, I'm back. So how are the filenames/paths put on the device simplified so that it doesn't have problems with special characters, long file names, or whatever?
  • The .m3u8 file has 1690 lines.
  • The SmartPlaylist in MM has 1690 files.
  • When I open the .m3u8 playlist from the device (drive letter H:) using Foobar 2000, it finds 1722 songs.
  • In Foobar2000, if I do Edit --> Remove Dead Items, the list shrinks to 1688 items.
Update 1: I'm trying a few experiments with masks under: (select SD card on tree) --> Options --> Music. By using \Music\<Playlist>\<Auto Number>, it might work. I did get all 1690 songs to be indexed and registered by the Walkman using the mask <Auto Number> and nothing else so I'm now trying a slightly more complex mask.
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Hi,
Thank you for update.

When you are done can you please export Device profile and send me a DL link so that I can compare with last plugin and see what is different?
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Re: Sony NW-A55 not all songs appear on playlist

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Peke wrote: Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:11 pm Hi,
Thank you for update.

When you are done can you please export Device profile and send me a DL link so that I can compare with last plugin and see what is different?
Will do.

I'm now trying to sync a much larger collection of smartplaylists to the device. I'm having it output everything in a flat directory structure to \music\{autonumber}.
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Hi guys I posted on the the other sony playlist thread yesterday so this information is fresh in my head for the a40 series and the unit hasnt changed that much

"Hint
Up to 999 tracks can be added to a playlist."
This line is also in your online manual from sony page (sorry cant share the url it wont let me) the same as it was for the a45 as i put in my https://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewt ... 23#p472323
Hope this helps

Edit
Also in case it applies to you for APE files you cant add files larger that 2gb and for any other file type larger that 4 gb. Also I havent tested it yet you cant add songs to a playlist thats not on that storage. i.e you cant add a song from the sd to a playlist stored on the internal memory or vice versa. should you want to start editing playlist on the device.

Oh and also I havent typed this out yet on that other thread. But single large transfers to the sony walkman can be interupted via power saving measures in windows. Now i aint sure this is a mm thing or a usb thing but its easy to check (I suspect another user on that thread had this issue). So if your screensaver comes on to a lock screen I think that trips the sync if so you will songs on the device but no playlist files as they are written at the end of the sync. its also happens when i change the energy profile where the computer wont sleep for an hour but the screen saver (to lock screen) comes on.

The fix is easy just restart the sync MM knows whats on the device and just continues on (although i usually tick the delete all other files option in sync just in case i get duplicates).

AND
I assume you are using plug in V1.2 as i typed yesterday in that thread not all the file types are in that plugin and if you have unticked auto conversion the sync might have just ignored flac wav files syncing only compatabile files so the fix is also on that forum link in that post. but MM i expected should have displayed a message saying that the files where missed for this reason upon sync completion
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Re: Sony NW-A55 not all songs appear on playlist

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Murdie wrote: Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:33 am Hi guys I posted on the the other sony playlist thread yesterday so this information is fresh in my head for the a40 series and the unit hasnt changed that much

"Hint
Up to 999 tracks can be added to a playlist."
This line is also in your online manual from sony page (sorry cant share the url it wont let me) the same as it was for the a45 as i put in my https://www.mediamonkey.com/forum/viewt ... 23#p472323
Hope this helps
I just synced a larger playlist and the A55 doesn't appear to have a 999 file limit per playlist. One playlist have > 1800 songs.
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Hi,
Most likely their software have limit of 999 tracks.
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