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Roxie2401
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Audio Output (ASIO Output) Settings Help

Post by Roxie2401 »

Hi -- I love the sound I'm getting with the ASIO output plugin but need some help with the settings.

I keep hearing "clicks" and first thought the file was from an LP with a lot of scratches --- nope, clean audio when playing with Audacity, etc. - even iTunes.

What I suspect is that I don't have the settings correct either in the ASIO4ALL or the MM5 Configuration of that plugin.

To start I left the ASIO4ALL defaults - Buffer Size to 512 and nothing else set in that window.

So, my question is the MM5 Configuration window options --- Thread Priority and Buffer Size would any of these setting clear up the random click/pop that I'm hearing?

Help with these and/or the ASIO4ALL would be appreciated.
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Re: Audio Output (ASIO Output) Settings Help

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Hi,
Unfortunately MM do not natively support ASIO and plugins that partially work are very old, not tested and supported by MM team and recommended to be used only when other methods do not work.

WASAPI in Exclusive Mode should get same results. I personally tested it few years ago on several Sound cards raging 150-3000 USD and difference in digital output recording on professional hardware was <0.005%, which means unless you have 20k+ sound hardware there is almost no way to hear the difference as all other differences should be due the settings of WASAPI/ASIO/Kernel(RAW) playback plugin.

BTW ASIO4ALL is software emulation of ASIO and not hardware like one I used in my tests.

What is the sound card you play your music?
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Roxie2401
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Re: Audio Output (ASIO Output) Settings Help

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Peke,

Thanks for the reply. When I saw your name on the addon list in MM "ASIO Output" and then noticed that you were the one that had actually submitted the ASIO 0.67 output plugin and it was updated in 2022 I thought someone there would perhaps know more about the options and the MM configuration screen - or have seen/heard the clicking/popping I was experiencing.

It did work better when I changed the Buffer size in the MM5 Configuration screen.......

I'll give the WASAPI a try --- the ASIO works great except for that one issue - maybe someone else will respond with some info.

I'll also check the ASIO4ALL Help site, too.

My sound card is a Realtek High Definition


Thanks again -- love MM5!
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Re: Audio Output (ASIO Output) Settings Help

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Roxie2401 wrote: Sat Sep 28, 2024 8:03 am My sound card is a Realtek High Definition
It really depends on what ALC chip you have. You can check it in Realtek HD audio manager under info.
From y experience only ALC12xx/ALC408x and newer sound chips support ASIO natively. My MB have 1220 with full DSD and ASIO support as seen pic below wheer I can select native Realtek ASIO driver not simulated ASIO4ALL.
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P.S. 2022 update is only install update so that Addon can be installed on MM5+ and had no functional change on v0.67 plugin from 2006.
I wonder if you add DLL file to plugins folder from this Archive you will get better results?
https://sourceforge.net/projects/winamp ... p/download

EG. will it work better as it is updated modded version of v0.67?
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Re: Audio Output (ASIO Output) Settings Help

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Peke,

Thanks for the updated dll --- took a while to remember how to add it to the Plugins Folder.

Works better but still a little unsure about the Buffer Size setting on the MM5 Configure screen -- that is having some affect, too.

That and the Buffer slider on the ASIO4ALL config.

Suggestions welcome.

I'll keep working with it and let you know.

Thanks so much for the support----again!
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Re: Audio Output (ASIO Output) Settings Help

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Hi,
Increased buffer should make things stable, but it introduce LAG, which for playback should not be an issue.

Please let us know and I'll see if I can make MMIP for MM5 and make things easier.
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Re: Audio Output (ASIO Output) Settings Help

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Peke wrote: Sun Sep 29, 2024 3:50 pm Hi,
Increased buffer should make things stable, but it introduce LAG, which for playback should not be an issue.

Please let us know and I'll see if I can make MMIP for MM5 and make things easier.

Peke,

Well, it works but I'm not sure if its worth your time to develop the MMIP.

What I'm seeing (on two computers) is that when I use Tools/Options/ and select the new entry ASIO Output and Configure - I enter the Device correctly and save ------ if I close MM5 and reopen, that device is not saved and each time the program will tell me that it can't play ........ I re-enter the Device and it works.

Maybe you can test on your system - the screen shot you sent me looks the same as mine ---- MM5 is listing the Audio Outputs and you show the same configuration window that I see - the Device is empty on the screen shot.

Maybe if you get a different result, I didn't add the Audio Output dll correctly.....
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Try to Start MM as Administrator and then setup, my guess is that it does not have permission to create files as MM is not Winamp.
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Re: Audio Output (ASIO Output) Settings Help

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Roxie2401 wrote: Fri Sep 27, 2024 2:43 pm Hi -- I love the sound I'm getting with the ASIO output plugin but need some help with the settings.
It shouldn't *sound* any different to a different type of driver... they're all just ways of sending the same digital audio data from Windows to your soundcard.
If you don't have a soundcard with Asio drivers in the first place, there's not really any reason to try and use Asio4All and the WWM5 Asio add-on.

I do use the Asio myself, as I also use my PC for making music, and have an Asio soundcard, and want Reaper to also play out of my big studio speakers (whilst conversely I send Windows' system sounds to the built-in speakers in my monitor screen)

If you really want/need to use Asio and you're getting clicks and pop, try just chosing bigger buffer sizes until they stop. (When you're recording and overdubbing audio or playing VST soft synths, you ideally want a small buffer, cos otherwise there can he a noticeably 'latency' time lag between you pressing a note and when you hear in - but that makes no difference if you're just listening back to an album)

Another thing you may want to avoid is unnecessary resampling - i.e. if the vast majority of the music in your collection is at 44.1kHz, don't ask the Asio driver to resample it to a different sample rate - you'll just stress it out to no good purpose :)
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Re: Audio Output (ASIO Output) Settings Help

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Peke wrote: Mon Sep 30, 2024 12:05 pm Try to Start MM as Administrator and then setup, my guess is that it does not have permission to create files as MM is not Winamp.
Peke, sorry for the late reply --- Admin did not make a difference -- the settings were not saved and had to be reset each time MM5 is opened.

Also, same thing with the Portable install - options not being saved with the updated version.

Not really sure if you want to waste your time on an MMIP for MM5.

Thanks
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