Adveser wrote:but why even involve windows or any program in what you are trying to do?

LightMiner wrote:

rovingcowboy wrote:multimedia in windows is in the control panel.
the out put plugins just control the sound on out put to the player. things like cross fade and smooth stop or seek.
just keep the sound blead together or fade it out when you have them selected. does not do anything to the file just how its played with monkey's player.
sound leveling in mediamonkey will adjust the files.
sound level anaylizing will see what is to be leveled in the file make that in the database and in the tag of the file.
but not adjust the file in any other way it is just used by the player when you have play sound leveling turned on. by the option on the play menu.

just two questions why don't you want any sound adjustments.? with out it you can get some strange humming from the computer wirering and clicks from the sound wav being played louder then is possible to have it played.
i know you want to send it to your stereo that is what i am doing also. only i use sound adjustments on mine, and send it through an fm transmitter to the stereo. i get great sound on it that way., why wouldn't you get great sound going the way you do to your stereo?

I'm on XP Pro, and in control panel (its in alpha order) I go from Keyboard, Mail, Mouse, Network Connections. Perhaps it is installed as part of a program? Oh and under Windows as a starting word I just have Firewall and Network Setup Wizard.

Interesting comment - I'm new to 'computer music' so I'll see if I get clicks and the such. The philosophy I'm using, given that I'm playing 24/96 from HDTracks and the such, as that the only thing the computer should do is send the bits to the DAC. If the computer changes anything, there is a darn good chance it will effect sound quality. On many systems that won't be noticeable, but on mine the tiniest change is clear (Supratek pre/Pass Labs Amp/Magnepan 3.6 ribbon speakers). Anything that anything does with a system like this unless its programmed at a very high level will much things up... I found some plugins that are from professional stuff that I might trust, for example, but they were very expensive and were for recording studios.

"does not do anything to the file just how its played" - yeah - I want nothing!!! Nothing done to the file or the bits. Until I hear hiss crackle and pop - and I believe you, just haven't heard it yet. Still getting up and running.

LightMiner wrote:that might make a good sticky thread, or inclusion in the help menu or whatever.

LightMiner wrote:
Right now I'm using a Beresford TC-7250 which is astonishingly good for the price. Competitive with Benchmark at 1/4 the price. I may buy an AlphaDac or Bryston depedning on how the year goes... Connection is via laptop docking station SPDIF then Blue Jeans cable to DAC. I will look more into this kmixer stuff! Thanks.

"It should be transparent and can produce bitperfect results at 94/24" - now that's what I'm talking about! With Reference Recordings HRx 24/96 there is no 'improving' the music, you want it untouched to the DAC. It is already as good as it is going to get before you download it. However, I understand if the computer adds crackle snap and pop or hum at a certain freq. etc., then getting rid of that makes sense.

Pete10 wrote:Hi Chris,

What DAC and connection to DAC(optical, usb) you are using, and what operating system? Do you have a DAC that indicates the incoming datarate? That helps.

MM's 2 standard output plugins (DS & Waveout) both use Windows Kmixer. It should be transparent and can produce bitperfect results at 94/24, but there are some pitfalls, as already noted:
First set all volume levels at 100% (main + wave in mixer, and in MM), and set balance at 50/50. Do not use leveling, no DSP plugings, no crossfading.
Second, if you use a usb dac kmixer tries to find out what the dac accepts as input, and if MM delivers data at 94/24 to kmixer and kmixer has learned that this is an acceptable format for the dac it will not do anything to the stream. If you use optical to connect to the dac you should set the datarate in the soundcard's driver and hope the driver works as it should.
Note that other programs may also send sounds to kmixer. Windoes system sounds should be switched of. But if so, kmixer will convert all to the highest quality in your case 94/24. But mixing should probably be avoided.

Kmixer can be bypassed using an ASIO driver and plugin, guaranteeing bitperfect playback an no interference by kmixer. Unfortunately, MM can NOT do gapless playback with ASIO. This is - in my opinion - probably the biggest weakness of MM in the output field (foobar can do it without a problem it seems, so there is no reason).
Another option would be Steve Monks kernel streaming, but my computer freaks out if I try.

Let us know the results..

Pete10

rovingcowboy wrote:multimedia in windows is in the control panel.
the out put plugins just control the sound on out put to the player. things like cross fade and smooth stop or seek.
just keep the sound blead together or fade it out when you have them selected. does not do anything to the file just how its played with monkey's player.
sound leveling in mediamonkey will adjust the files.
sound level anaylizing will see what is to be leveled in the file make that in the database and in the tag of the file.
but not adjust the file in any other way it is just used by the player when you have play sound leveling turned on. by the option on the play menu.

just two questions why don't you want any sound adjustments.? with out it you can get some strange humming from the computer wirering and clicks from the sound wav being played louder then is possible to have it played.
i know you want to send it to your stereo that is what i am doing also. only i use sound adjustments on mine, and send it through an fm transmitter to the stereo. i get great sound on it that way., why wouldn't you get great sound going the way you do to your stereo?